If you want to fall for the climate change hoax then I recommend the Transition Town Forums.
Not all scientists believe the theory of man made global warming, though if you're a scientist and looking for funding, then it's a good idea to keep quiet about this. Peter Taylor is an ecologist, with no government or industries ties, and he reckons recent global temperature rises have peaked and were not mad made, but rather from natural cycles.
Warming or Cooling? by Peter Taylor
An almighty battle is about to be engaged between proponents of solar theories of climate change and adherents to the supposedly standard carbon dioxide model. The Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is about to issue its fourth scientific assessment - a summary was published in February - and this argues that solar effects are minimal. Meanwhile solar scientist Henrik Svensmark, funded by the European Space Agency, has demonstrated a mechanism that will explain the thinning clouds phenomenon picked up by satellite data, but not as a feedback to carbon’s increasing concentration, rather as a primary driver which leaves little over for carbon. In other words, the human influence on climate has been seriously over-estimated. If Svensmark’s theory is accepted, less than 30% of the changes we see are due to human activity (and only 15% due to fossil fuel burning). If the sun’s magnetic field drops, as some scientists expect, it could dramatically cool the planet.
Surely, two thousand of the world’s top scientists cannot be wrong? Would that this were so. Not so long ago, select UN committees were locked in an argument over the effects of low-level radiation and a stolid defence of the widespread practice of X-raying pregnant women. They - and all of the top scientific institutions - were wrong, but it took Alice Stewart, a ‘maverick’ scientist, ten years to persuade them. In the end, it was steadily-accumulated, contradicting evidence (leukaemia in the children) that won the day, along with Stewart's dogged determination against funding cuts and mud-slinging from people who should have been the first to support her. She saved hundreds of thousands of lives, yet received no honours, while her chief detractor was knighted.
Something similar is afoot with global warming. The standard model may be flawed. It relies on assumed water vapour feedbacks that have not been validated. It was pointed out at the first IPCC meeting by Richard Lindzen, professor of meteorology at MIT, that if the water vapour turned to cloud, the feedback could be negative. He later resigned when he failed to get this caveat written in to the first IPCC report. The real rise in global temperatures has been taken as validation of the model, but Svensmark’s work suggests that this rise is due to another factor: an increased solar electromagnetic field thinning the cloud over the oceans, which then receive more sunlight and so heat up. Satellite data analysed in 2004 support this theory. Moreover, following a dip in the sun’s field, global ocean temperatures have been falling after the El Niño peak in 1998, something which is difficult to explain with the standard model. In fact, during the two years 2003 to 2005, the oceans lost one-fifth of all the heat accumulated in the previous fifty years.
Over 75% of the planet’s surface is ocean. The defensive response to this ocean cooling has been to refer to it as a ‘blip in the general trend’ and ‘we have seen such blips before’. Yes, but only after major volcanic eruptions ... and there were none in the period 2003 to 2005.
The oceans are cooling and, according to oceanographers (who, along with solar scientists, are being ignored by the IPCC), it is due to changes in low-level cloud formations that correlate with solar cycles. There is a time-lag as the oceans release their heat and it is that heat that is melting the Arctic rather than any greenhouse effect.
But what about all these sophisticated computer models? Well, they have had their critics - always ignored by the scientists seeking ever greater funding for their models - and the main criticism has been that they are unable to model cloud responses. Now, the new science cannot be ignored. Henrik Svensmark, after beavering away quietly since 1991 on his theories of solar influence, has discovered the mechanism (published on 22 February 2007 as The Chilling Stars), namely a modulation of cloud seeding over the oceans by the electromagnetic field. As the sun’s field builds up, cosmic radiation is deflected and less clouds form because the ionising radiation field controls cloud seeding. The sun began to ramp down in 1990 and, although there is an oceanic time lag, the globe is cooling, more so where the currents disperse the heat rapidly, as in the southern hemisphere, less quickly in the northern hemisphere.
We will know the full extent of the cooling this year. If El Niño fails - the US specialists think it will, whereas British commentators think it won’t - the oceans will cool further and, if the next solar peak (on an eleven-year cycle) is lower than the last, even more cooling will follow in five years time.
So, we can relax? No more need for ugly wind turbines on blue-remembered hills and no more excuse for revamping nuclear power? Yes and no. Even the most optimistic emission controls will have virtually no effect this century on atmospheric carbon levels anyway ... and the only proven mechanism for reducing demand for fossil fuels was always price, so the oil ‘peak’ expected in 2015 will see to that. But the real challenge is going to be feeding the extra one billion people who will be born in the next thirteen years, most of them into food-deficit countries, which currently cannot compete in a globalised food market and are very vulnerable to climate swings in either direction. Global cooling will compromise the productive northern grain belts upon which a world food surplus relies - and probably more so than continued warming. The paradigm is shifting rapidly. If Svensmark is right, food and water will be the big issue in five years' time and nobody will talk then of global warming.
I didnt realize hydro n soil ment organic? i still use coco blocks and the same feeds as before its just instead of been in a pot of soil its in a pot of clay balls and gets watered from below n not above.
hehe the global warming topic its a funny one. but if you think that we can poor carbon back into the skys, chop all the trees down test nuc's and every other shitty thing the human race does to this planet, with more to come as we want the 3ed world to get industrial, but not have nuc power and cant afford natural power like we can. with out that having an impact then i think im talkin to one of the narrow minded fools that i have to deal with about smoke!
Who said anything about chopping down rain forests? The Global Warming hoax has been used to put forward the case for nuclear power.
The Global Warming hoax is pushed forward by the Illuminate precisely because they want to control thr environmental movement. They want to make sure that all these organisations bang on about Global Warming so that other far more serious environmental problems facing the planet are not given so much prominence.
When people like Tony BLiar and Rupert Murdoch are saying Climate Change is the biggest political issue facing the planet today, then surely you must smell a big rat?
Climate Change Quotes:
The blunt truth about the politics of climate change is that no country will want to sacrifice its economy in order to meet this challenge, but all economies know that the only sensible long term way of developing is to do it on a sustainable basis. Tony Blair - Truth - Politicians - Environmental - Economy - Change
We can debate this or that aspect of climate change, but the reality is that most people now accept our climate is indeed subject to change as a result of greenhouse gas emissions. Tony Blair - Environmental - Change
Climate change poses clear, catastrophic threats. We may not agree on the extent, but we certainly can't afford the risk of inaction. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Risk - Action
Becoming carbon neutral is only the beginning. The climate problem will not be solved by one company reducing its emissions to zero, and it won't be solved by one government acting alone. The climate problem will not be solved without mass participation by the general public in countries around the globe. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Responsibility - Carbon - Problems - Companies - Solutions - World
Imagine if we succeed in inspiring our audiences to reduce their own impacts on climate change by just one percent. That would be like turning the State of California off for almost two months. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Media - Influential - Imagination - Inspirational - Success
We need to push ourselves to make as many reductions as possible in our own energy use first.. and that takes time. But we must do this quickly.. the climate will not wait for us. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Responsibility - Action - Renewable Energy
Some of our businesses use more energy than others, but our strategy everywhere is the same.. first, reduce our use of energy as much as possible. Then, switch to renewable sources of power where it makes economic sense. And, over time, as a last resort, offset the emissions we can't avoid. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Renewable Energy - Strategies - Economic
We could make a difference just by holding our emissions steady as our businesses continue to grow. But that doesn't seem to be enough: we want to go all the way to zero. Today, I am announcing our intention to be carbon neutral, across all our businesses, by 2010. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Carbon - Growth - Ambition
We're not a manufacturer, or an airline, but we do use energy. Printing and publishing newspapers, producing films, broadcasting television signals, operating 24-hour newsrooms. It all adds carbon to the atmosphere. Rupert Murdoch - Climate Change - Responsibility - Carbon - Media - Companies - News
Climate change and energy use are global problems. News Corp is a global company. Our operations affect the environment all over the world. Rupert Murdoch
It's just more media hype, like the hype about super stength "skunk" cannabis, bad research and manipulated facts are put into the newspapers to create a climate of fear, capitalism is just clever fascism, instead of controlling the people through force they control them through money and fear so instead of ripping peoples civil liberties away from them they have them willingly asking to have their civil liberties taken away.
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded"
-- Abraham Lincoln-1840
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You are right i heard and belived that theory 9/10 years ago. I know we have had changes over the centurys. its inbeded in rock as they say! but you seem to be saying its not that its this? when i c O crap double trouble! we cant change the one but we can change the other. but as i read that you think cool, lets open up all the coal mines again (which i live in the heart of the ruins of) let all the countries in the world burn coal power plants get all the gas dont worry about what resources we will need in 300 years time we need them now, if theres a shortage on food (which yes weve over populated now and its only goin to get werse)then we can burn more full and have day light 24hours a day to grow more because thats the bigger worry. this will have to have a effect be it smaller or larger than we thought and better clean up are acts now so we can worry about the food alone not comin back to this prob 50 years latter when its werse and our 10/20% is much bigger with a doubled planet pop!
the gov is tryin to turn facts away from other probs and profit out of this one but its a prob that needs sorting. you cant blame the gov for everything they do turn things into there bonus where ever possible but you know, its the human race! before christ we worked out that the world was round 1500 years latter we thought we would fall off it! we are sheep! the man is smart the mob is thick!
Im pissed more because of the new mushie laws than any other thing the gits have done.
We're not asking for more coal power stations (incidentally, the govt. has recently started open cast mining in the UK and commissioned more coal power stations), but what we do ask for is honesty and truth. Don't tell us it's all man-made global warming, when there is a lot of evidence to suggest it isn't.
the logic they will use is that over time as carbon dioxide levels rose so did the temprature however the theory is incorrect because you will see that the sea releases most the world's CO2 and what actually happens is as the sea levels rise (I can't remember this exactly and I'm really stoned) because of a cooling of the earth or warming I really can't remember the see gives of more or less CO2 making it appear that as the levels of CO2 rise so does the climate but if you look at the trends Co2 levels are a couple hundred years behind the temprature change.
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded"
-- Abraham Lincoln-1840
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there is the point dude. were not sheep the man is smart! give us the info.
The big q is qre we helping are selves by doin this? if we got another ice age on the way maybe well keep the planet 20 degrees warmer and save us all hehe
It's the danger of not using fossil fuels, in africa because they are making people use very inneficiant and expensive technology instead of the standard power it is awful for the development of africa.
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded"
-- Abraham Lincoln-1840
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i goin off subject but we agree on this we need to use the clean energy so africa and others can burn fossel to catch up with us and afford clean energy. but business says noooo!!!
re: climate change i tend to agree with a researcher i met, who thinks there are natural cycles and shifts in CO2 and temperature; however, the fact that we've belched loads of pollutants in the atmosphere for centuries and thrown plastics and other non-biodegradable rubbish in the land and sea will also have an impact on those natural shifts and changes. i think it's a combination of both, and yes there is a lot of spin out there as well.
Evening Express, 05 Jan 2009 - Ministers reiterated their opposition to downgrading ecstasy today amid claims Government advisers will recommend it be made a class B drug. The Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs could urge Home Secretary Jacqui Smith to move the dance drug from class A when it reports later this month.
